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Posted by: P2PLeon - 17-02-2018, 09:10 PM - Forum: Announcements - Replies (1)

Hi all, this thread will be updated whenever there has been a change to forums or users ability to post/refer.

Users can now refer other potential users by logging into their ucp and giving a link. Or the potential user posting the name of said user in the referer at registration.

A few new forums have been added today and in the past. Mainly speaking of Hobbies, Health, Vaping style.

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  Original Bellus
Posted by: P2PLeon - 05-02-2018, 07:53 PM - Forum: Rebuildables - No Replies

How is everyone finding the original Bellus from Youde. I've got 6 of them and some are used daily. I know there is a version 2 out but not had a look at it yet.

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  Battery Safety
Posted by: P2PLeon - 31-01-2018, 10:31 PM - Forum: Main Thoughts - Replies (1)

A helpful guide to stay safe

What are the best batteries for mods? And what is the right battery to use in your mod? It’s actually the most important questions someone can ask before vaping on a new device. All personal vaporizers utilize high discharge lithium batteries. These batteries are by far the most crucial part of your device. When handled properly they are quite safe but if mishandled can be dangerous (especially in a mechanical mod). Below you will find everything you need to select the best battery for mods as well as tips to keep it working in tip top condition for the duration of its lifespan.

Size, Does it matter?

Yes, Most mods will only fit the size battery it is intended to use and it is strongly recommended to use only the size specified for your device. In some cases multiple smaller batteries can be stacked to fit in a device. Battery stacking should be avoided. Stacking batteries increases the batteries voltage and can cause the batteries or the device to fail.

Brand, Does it matter?

Absolutely, using an authentic battery from a reputable brand will ensures your battery will operate safely and as intended within its rated specifications. Your safety matters, so we recommend the following brands: Sony, Efest, Samsung, and Orbtronic. Other reputable brands include MXJO, EH, MNKE, Panasonic, LG, and AW . Using low quality batteries runs the risk of damaging your device and potentially injuring you and others. A little extra money spent on quality batteries can save a lot of money and headache in the long run.

Best Batteries for Mods

What types are there and what should you use?

There are several lithium batteries on the market today but only a few suitable for vaping safely. Typically the three main types are ICR (LiCoO2 or LiCd) , IMR (LiMn) , and Hybrid. It has been established that IMR batteries use safer chemistry than ICR’s. This is why ICR’s are commonly sold with protection circuits. Typically IMR batteries lack protection circuits and will allow higher amperage discharge rates compared to ICR’s and are much more suitable for low resistance builds or mechanical devices. ICR’s although usually rated for a higher storage capacity (mAh) are often unable to safely deliver the amperage needed for high power, low resistance, or mechanical devices. Hybrid devices often utilize a “safer” chemistry than your average IMR batter while maintaining some of the increased storage capacity of an IMR.

Battery Ratings, they are not all created equal.

Lithium batteries are measured and rated by voltage, amperage and storage capacity. For vaping purposes all batteries in use are rated for a Voltage of 3.7v. This rating is the nominal or average voltage meaning the battery is considered fully charged at 4.2v and considered dead at 3.2v. Then you have the Amperage rating. More specifically the amperage rating determines the maximum continuous discharge rate of the battery. This is can be measured a few ways but usually a number followed by either an “A” or a “C” (i.e. 15C or 30A). The storage capacity is measured in milliamp hours indicated by a number and “mAh” (i.e. 2100mAh). The higher the mAh the longer your battery should last. It is absolutely crucial that you do not exceed the your batteries limits if you do it is most likely that your battery will fail possibly resulting in a fire, explosion, other damage to your device, or worse yet it could injure you or someone else. So always try to pick the best batteries for mods, to avoid such failures.

Using battery ratings and coil resistance to vape safely, essential when using a mechanical Mod

Now that you know about your battery ratings we need to know how to use the battery ratings with your atomizer coils resistance to ensure you’re vaping safely. If you do not know your resistance you can purchase an ohms reader almost anywhere vaping supplies are sold. Now that we have your resistance in ohms as well as all 3 ratings your voltage or “v” your storage capacity or “mAh” and your Amperage rating in either “A” or “C”. We will use these numbers to figure out your maximum continuous discharge of your battery and how much current your device will discharge. If your battery has an “A” amperage rating then you already know your maximum continuous discharge but if your battery uses a “C” amperage rating you will need to convert the “C” rating into an “A” rating. To do this is quite simple. Take your batteries “C” rating and multiply it by the storage capacity in mAh. For example if your battery is rated 10C, this means the battery is rated for 10 times the capacity of the battery measured in amps. So a battery rated at 1600mAh equals 1.6 Ah will therefore have a max continuous discharge rate of 10 X 1.6 = 16A. Now that we know the continuous maximum discharge rate of the battery we need to figure out how much current your device discharges and is it at a rate that is safe to vape. We can then take your batteries amp rating. You can then take your batteries voltage (4.2v fully charged) and divide it by your atomizer or coils resistance to get your actual discharge rate. Now compare the two. The current your device draws must be lower than your batteries amperage rating. For example 4.2v / 1ohms = 4.2A discharge rate while 4.2v / .5ohms = 8.4A. Remember your devices discharge rate must always be less than your batteries amp limit.

Chargers and charging your batteries

Of the several chargers available to vapers the best and safest chargers are “smart chargers”. Smart chargers typically have multiple charging modes, safety features like over-voltage protection, over-discharge protection. Aside from various safety features some can also identify Li-ion, Ni-MH and Ni-Cd batteries and select the right charging mode for you. It’s important not to overcharge your batteries above 4.25v or over discharge your batteries. Although most batteries for vaping can be discharged down to 2.8v or until they fail. For safety reasons it is never recommended to discharge them below 3.2v. To keep your battery working properly as long as possible it is recommended not to discharge your battery below 3.3v doing so will diminish both your batteries capacity and number of charging cycles before it no longer useable.

Battery tips and tricks

Always carry batteries in a battery case or your device.

Never carry or store your batteries loose or near metallic objects.

Always keep your batteries dry and away from water.

Never expose your batteries to an open flame.

Visually inspect your batteries regularly. If the wrapper is damaged in any way DO NOT USE IT. It is important to either replace the battery or take the battery to a shop to have it re-wrapped.

Do not overcharge or over discharge your batteries. If a battery has been over charged/discharged DO NOT USE IT and properly discard it.

Do not charge your batteries unattended or while sleeping.

Check on charging batteries periodically (recommended every 30 min) and promptly remove them from the charger as soon as they finished charging.

Do not expose your battery extreme temperatures both heat and cold.

Properly recycle dead batteries.  Do not dispose of these batteries in normal household trash. Most communities and many stores have recycling programs in place.

By following these guidelines you can be sure to select the right battery and battery charger for your device. More importantly you can be sure you’re using it safely.

Another useful guide


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  Purity of VG/PG
Posted by: P2PLeon - 31-01-2018, 10:15 PM - Forum: Main Thoughts - No Replies

This information came from a member on a different forum called Rolygate as it safety related I am sure he won't mind me posting this

This information is primarily for DIY purposes and describes the grades suitable for inhalation. 

Three base liquid carriers are used for e-liquid manufacture: PG, VG and PEG - propylene glycol, glycerol (which we tend to refer to as VG or 'vegetable glycerine') and polyethene glycol.

These liquids are all alcohols (and not oils), as can be seen by the old suffix of their common names. There are a multitude of both common and chemical names for these materials, as is normal, and some of the more common chemical names (more precise definitions of their nature than the common names) are:-

PG: propane 1,2 diol

VG: propane 2,3 trial

When used as the carrier for other materials, they can be referred to as excipients or diluents, especially when they are essentially inert in the human organism, as these materials are. That is to say, they have no major function or effect* and are treated as carbohydrates, metabolised, and excreted. Both PG and VG are used as the base for medical inhalers; in fact PG is used as the excipient for the medicinal inhalers used by lung transplant patients, and both PG and VG are used in asthma inhalers, so it should be fairly obvious that these materials are completely harmless for inhalation, at least in the short to medium term. There are questions about high-volume long-term use but these can only be answered after 20 years use for vaping; currently, it seems unlikely that serious issues will result since we would have seen some indication of this in asthma patients, who have of course used such inhalants for decades.

* PG is reported to act on the organism in the same way as ethanol but with around one-third of the effect. This can be ignored with the very small quantities consumed in vaping.


The MSDS sheets for these materials can be safely completely ignored. This is an important point to make since the MSDS makes all materials without exception sound like chemical warfare agents: see the MSDS for water and for salt, for example.

It is obvious that if asthma patients are encouraged to inhale them for decades, and they are supplied without reservation to lung transplant patients for inhalation, they are regarded as inert and harmless.

The purpose of the MSDS is for bulk storage contractors, transport contractors and fire officers. In case of mass release and inundation of a worker, for example, there need to be documented hazard procedures. You can drown in a tank of these materials but that is the only practical hazard. To evaluate the real threat from a material, the MSDS-quoted dose can be checked: if it quotes a risk from amounts measured in milligrammes, such as 100mg, then there is a possible risk; 45 gallons of PG or VG are only dangerous, like water, if you fall into a barrel of it. They are used for inhalation therapies by persons in the most fragile of health and with the most serious lung conditions.


In theory, only the pharma grade of these materials should be used for inhalation, since all other grades contain contaminants to an increasing degree (the difference between the grades is the percentage of contaminants). The problem here is that DIYers and perhaps many small-scale manufacturers do not have access to pharma grade materials, so food grade materials must be used. Indeed, it is reported that some pharmaceutical suppliers are actively trying to prevent access to their top-grade materials by ecig products manufacturers.

This is more an issue of excessive regulation or fear of legal problems reducing safety than anything else.

There may not be any practical difference between the pharmaceutical grade and food grade materials from some suppliers. The only difference might even be that the pharma grade is specially tested and comes with a test certificate. However, we do know that there is a difference between low-grade and high-grade materials in vaping products (though we cannot know what certificates/grades were supplied) because more tests are now showing MEG contamination - (mono)ethylene glycol - which is toxic, as is DEG. In fact, it looks as if DEG contamination has been replaced by MEG contamination in the marketplace, perhaps because suppliers know to test for DEG but are unaware that low-grade PG may contain MEG.


If e-cigarettes become regulated then it is likely that only pharma grade will be allowed for inhalation duty. The advantage of this is the minimal contaminant load; the disadvantage is that prices go up. Everyone has a different opinion on this, so in the current climate, where ingredients are unregulated/untested in some countries, perhaps vendors should simply publish what their policy is: either "we use pharma grade only", or "we use food grade", or "we use food grade and also test for X and X". Then people could choose accordingly. Some sort of proof would need to be offered if a vendor makes specific statements - talk is cheap, after all.


These carrier materials are made in four grades:

Pharmaceutical Grade - for human consumption including by inhalation

Food Grade - for human consumption by ingestion but not inhalation

Agricultural (Farm) Grade - for use in connection with animals

Industrial Grade - for use in machinery, manufacturing and similar purposes

All of these grades contain contaminants, in increasing amounts as the grade quality reduces (with the exception noted above: some Food Grade and Pharmaceutical Grade products may be the same and only differentiated by the cost of testing and certification). This is the difference in the grades.

DO NOT BUY FARM GRADE OR INDUSTRIAL GRADE MATERIALS FOR INHALATION - contamination levels may be higher than allowable for safe inhalation.

There is a possibility that Food Grade should not be inhaled because the digestive system can handle the contaminants in it that the lungs may not be able to. It is likely there will be significant differences between food grade products from different suppliers.

PG and VG are both sold in good quality and are labelled:

Propylene Glycol, USP (or BP or EU)

Glycerine, USP (or BP or EU)

It is possible that a USP product can be either pharma grade or food grade. The USP designation only refers to a general production regime and does not cover the exact contaminants as long as the minimum standard is met. So a USP product might be considered safe for inhalation; or it might, on a test, prove inadvisable to inhale. The only product that is guaranteed to be suitable for inhalation is a product that is (a) designated by the manufacturer as Pharmaceutical Grade, and that (b) also has a provable license for inclusion in a specific inhalable medicine. Needless to say, this is virtually impossible to locate for the individual buyer. A vendor would be able to buy e.g. Dow Optim glycerine or PuraGuard PG in quantity, for mixing down and be assured the material is suitable. (This doesn't take into account the nicotine base carrier PG or glycerine, though.) It can be bought in 18-litre containers and up, so is suitable for e-liquid manufacturers, though manufacturers may try to prevent ecig product manufacturers from obtaining high-quality products.

As a practical example, the FDA has warned that glycerine marked USP may contain toxic components from biodiesel byproduct manufacture, and currently, there appears to be no way of determining whether or not a USP product contains biodiesel byproduct glycerine. Only synthetic pharma grade glycerine can be assumed to be free of such contaminants at this time.


There appears to be a current problem (2015) with some supplies of food grade PG that has detectable levels of MEG. This is not suitable for inhalation.


The use of the term VG to describe the glycerine we use for inhalation is probably obsolete now and stems from the early days of e-cigarette use when there was little use of Glycerine USP and DIYers had a choice between vegetable-source glycerine and animal-source glycerine [1]. If synthetic glycerol is used [2] its origin is irrelevant, as it is absolutely pure.

[1] Glycerine can be made from a multiplicity of sources including animal carcases, biodiesel manufacture byproduct, palm oil, coconut oil, a combination of vegetable sources, or synthetically.

[2] To see more info on synthetic glycerine, google 'dow optimal'.


Glycerine made as a byproduct of biodiesel production should NEVER under any circumstances be used for any human consumption of any kind, and especially not inhaled. It is likely to be carcinogenic because some of the vegetation used for modern biodiesel production is toxic (e.g. the Jatropha plant). How to exclude this material from the production chain is another matter entirely, and this is a matter for serious concern at present. 


It is better to avoid PEG for DIY purposes if purchased 'ad hoc', i.e. not from a trusted vendor of inhalation products, as it is difficult to source in the correct viscosity (PEG400); but mainly because it is the most likely of all the excipients to be contaminated with DEG, a poison. It should probably not be used by anyone without access to a testing facility for DEG.

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  Moderators Needed
Posted by: P2PLeon - 31-01-2018, 07:10 PM - Forum: Announcements - Replies (1)

As this site is fairly new, since September 2017. And only a few members on board, my belief is that if this board grows, we need moderators to moderate posts. This entails to be on board at most times. If we have enough moderators who share the task of moderating. Then everyone gets a break from time to time.

SO if you think you are up to the task then please contact admin or mods in the contact us forum.

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  Forum Rules!
Posted by: P2PLeon - 31-01-2018, 07:04 PM - Forum: Forum Rules - No Replies

Hello and welcome to the forum rules, these must be abided by, by all on a daily basis. From time to time these rules will be updated. Posting here as tapatalk does not show announcements.

New Registrants.

1.       Once you have registered and want to be activated you must post a thread in the following Forum. This will ensure that you have been moved into the Registered Group.

2.        You may only have 1 account per household.

3.        You must be of legal age to post here (Adult).


4.         As with many forums, forums have to be moderated by moderators or staff. So from time to time some posts may be edited or deleted. 

4.A.      Illicit content is not allowed in any forums and all this content will be deleted and you may be banned.

4.B.      You may ask staff questions if you are unsure of specific rules. These will be in Here.

4.C.      You are not allowed to advertise on this forum software. Failure to do so will result in a ban. Hence promoting another site. Although if it is related to the subject then please do. Meaning E-cig related or off topical discussions then go ahead.

4.D.      You must not share copyrighted materials. Acting like you own it is disrespectful to other members and may include a ban.


5.         The main language that is used on this board is English, so all correspondence must be in English.

5.A.      You and only You are liable for posting what content you put up.

5.B.       You must not post Illicit content on the forum. As this is in breach of the internet code. By doing so will result in a permanent ban and that post to be deleted.


6.          If you are liable for a ban, all your privileges will be revoked. Meaning you will enter a ban immediately for a short duration whilst Moderators and admin talk about the actions you took to be in the banned group.

6.A.       You must accept a ban is imminent for your part in any aspect of the forum rules that you deliberately convened to do the opposite.

6.B.       You must acknowledge that there will be a short or long duration of a ban or a permanent ban.


User Tradings Community

7.          You must hit a certain threshold of posts before you can post in the wanted, for sale, tradings forums. You will know when you are permitted to do so by looking in your user control panel and looking under group subscriptions. You will see a new group that says User Tradings and that you cannot go out of it.

7.A.        In the User Tradings forum, you must supply photos of the item to be sold/traded and state what the rrp (Regular Retailers Price) of the items.

7.B.        All correspondence from the For Sale, Wanted's must be stated in the thread about what has been going on. This is to alert other members if an Item is still for sale or a swap is still in play.

7.C.        Please place a Prefix for what you are doing, remember there is an On Hold prefix if items are pending and a Completed prefix once all is done and dusted.

Cloned Items

8.         Users speaking of cloned items is ok for discussions but must be stated that the item in question is a cloned item.

8.A.      Users wishing to sell or trade or have competitions or giveaways for cloned items must state that the item in question is a cloned item.

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  Do you vape in places where it's not allowed?
Posted by: Vapeoholic - 30-01-2018, 08:47 PM - Forum: Polls - No Replies

Just wondering if you follow the rules of establishment in regards to smoking and vaping.

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  New American Study
Posted by: P2PLeon - 30-01-2018, 08:27 PM - Forum: Fake Media - No Replies

Since the early hours of today, all I have been hearing on the radio is the news that ecigs cause cancer and brakes DNA cells. I was trying to read this @ the Guardian but only read up to the passages of New York University.

Some of the main studies that come from the states are absurd and incorrect.

You can find these in the newspapers also today.

More scaremongering tactics to keep people smoking for the taxes.

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  Best Battery
Posted by: P2PLeon - 30-01-2018, 06:18 PM - Forum: Best & Worse - No Replies

Just wondering what you think is the best battery contender for the year 2018.

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  VG/PG Storage Length
Posted by: P2PLeon - 30-01-2018, 05:24 PM - Forum: E-Juice Making 101 - No Replies

Just a quick question as to how long does VG or PG keep in the right conditions. As I have both that is 250ml and the BB date is 7/2018 and 10/2018.

If anyone has any information about this then please comment.

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